Interview: Pete Mitchell and Geoff Lloyd, Virgin Radio (Evening Standard)
IT IS always fun at this time of year to hear radio executives' excuses for their lame quarterly audience figures.
When Capital FM lost its crown to Heart last week as London's most listened-to station, the company explained it was simply "strengthening its national presence". Chris Moyles, selfproclaimed "saviour of Radio 1", may have lost 700,000 listeners in the past year, but that, according to the straight-faced BBC press office, is just because "fewer young people" shaped the latest research. As for the 256,000 who abandoned TalkSport over the past quarter, chief executive Kelvin MacKenzie dismisses the figure as proof that the method used to count listeners is "cobblers".
So it has been bizarre this week to watch Virgin Radio - the most reliably desperate in defending its ailing ratings - have some rare good news to spin. After three years of chaos, during which four separate teams have been thrown into the crucial breakfast slot, Virgin suddenly has a hit on its hands. While Chris Tarrant has been losing a quarter of his Capital audience, and Sara Cox has been dropping 130,000 on Radio 1, the Virgin breakfast audience has risen since summer by an extraordinary 22 per cent in London and by 9.2 per cent across Britain. And it's all thanks to Pete and Geoff.
You may not yet have heard of Pete Mitchell and Geoff Lloyd, but their low media profile is not going to last. A quirky, energetic doubleact, their intelligent wit and Northern-bloke banter has been waking up 660,000 Londoners since Virgin took a chance with them last January. Originally given their start at Virgin by Chris Evans, the station now sees them as its best hope since it sacked Evans in June 2001.
Evans, too, has noticed their rise - and does not appear entirely comfortable with it.
"I went out with him for a drink a couple of months back," says Mitchell, the 44-year-old musicbusiness veteran who tends to provide the laughter to accompany Lloyd's semi-scripted routines. "He told me he didn't listen to morning radio much any more - but he was actually saying, 'I don't listen to you.' And that's fine." In their early days at Virgin - they joined in 1999 from Manchester's Key 103 - they would present an evening rock show while Evans got drunk in the background. On one occasion, when they put on a tape so that they could nip out to a Paul McCartney album launch, they returned to find that Evans had asked listeners who should be offered their show.
Still, they consider him a generous employer and, until his last six months at Virgin, "the best thing on radio". But things move on.
Now, as Evans's TV projects falter amid disappointing ratings, Lloyd suggests that he is the victim of his own hype. "If he'd not let it be known he was behind some of the programmes, they'd have done better," he says. "Boys and Girls would have been perfectly fine Saturday night TV, but people were led to see it as the new Don't Forget Your Toothbrush." Evans had always been "a better self-producer than a producer".
BY taking Evans's former show, the pair are reluctantly aware that they are being defined as part of a "laddish" radio culture. The pressure will intensify next year, when they face Chris Moyles on Radio 1 and Johnny Vaughan on Capital in the battle for breakfast ratings.
"Count us out," says Lloyd wearily. "Just because we're two lads, we get lumbered in with them - but we're cerebral, not sexual. I prefer to see us as merchants of whimsy." Lloyd, a 30-year-old from Macclesfield, lives with his girlfriend in Notting Hill. The one with the lank, red hair, he is the wry ideas man, whose offbeat stunts - quizzing listeners about what Martin the security guard is thinking, or taking bets on whether objects will sink in the station toilet - are gently self-parodying and never nasty. A former writer for TFI Friday and Comic Relief, he was introduced to Mitchell by the latter's friend, Craig Cash, who had employed him as a lackey on The Mrs Merton Show, fetching Caroline Aherne's cigarettes. The pairing has proved inspired, winning them two Sony radio awards.
Their current success has, naturally, put them in a position to poke gentle fun at their rivals - and they particularly enjoy baiting Moyles. "It's a good move for us that Radio 1's put him on breakfast," Lloyd says. "He's quite a shy, uncomfortable fat lad, and when he goes on the radio, all the bitterness pours out." He adds, "Of course, I've never heard him on radio, but I hear he's better on TV."
"Put that one down," Mitchell says with a grin. "I don't think he'll be reading that out on air."
They believe they will benefit further when Tarrant is replaced next year by Johnny Vaughan - "He's not radio, is he?" says Mitchell - and dismiss Heart's Jono Coleman as "the housewife's choice".
Moyles's hackles rise when their remarks are later reported to him. "Tell the poor man's Mark and Lard on that little medium-wave station that when they get a third of the listeners I get, they can come and talk to me," he responds. The battle ahead should prove interesting.
Executives on other stations appear impressed by Virgin's gamble on Pete and Geoff starting to pay off, but they point out that the station has spent millions on marketing this summer, and that its growth at breakfast is coming from a low base after the show's weak performance under Daryl Denham and Steve Penk. Virgin is still only the 10th most popular station in London, rival stations point out, with just a 3.4 per cent share of listeners.
STILL, the pair have ambitions to take their ratings to four million. "We've got this five-year breakfast plan in our heads," says Mitchell. "It's going to take that long to be up there with everybody else, and then we'll see if people still like us. You've had the Chris Evans phase, we want history to remember the Pete and Geoff phase." He is starting to sound uncharacteristically serious.
Thankfully, Lloyd does not let the tone linger for long. "I'd like you to portray Pete as brash and me as enigmatic," he says with a chuckle.
And just as Mitchell is requesting that the interview does not refer to the mother of his two teenage children, Lloyd steps in with the sort of spontaneous mischief that makes the double-act work so effectively on live radio.
"Yeah, his ex-wife's been through the mill," he says. "She's had enough trouble with your many affairs, your walking out on those two small children, having to chase you for maintenance, and she doesn't need it rubbing in her face in a London newspaper ..."
"Geoff 's a c***," Mitchell interrupts. And they laugh out loud.
(Evening Standard, October 29 2003)
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